Guys what do you think why there are less jobs for. I couldn’t be more wrong! CEng or the equivalent may well be a license to practice in other countries, but it isn’t in the UK. He was right! And what are the differences in the job description of an aerospace engineer and a mechanical engineer both working in aerospace? Not only for my preference of hands-on to sitting at a desk, but also for the earlier financial benefits. It appears to me that whilst the starting salary is good, 10-15yrs down the line its not so good. Either you are out of your mind, or you have a special vendetta against engineers for some reason to bleat such baseless inaccuracies. So why are the aerospace engineers paid more by companies? Mechanical engineers design and oversee the manufacture of many products ranging from medical devices to new batteries. I have 5 years experience and on 50% more than that. Engineering Is One of the Top Paid Professions . Why do I deserve status? You would likely go into early retirement. As such when they cease to be practising doctors they should not use the title – not that Dr Fox MP would accept that idea for a moment! Mechanical Engineering careers and salaries. Although I have written certain article on this topic, still I would like to discuss the topic in more detail. I forgive your time of writing your comments but at £40,000 per annum with steady rise in cost of living, it is actually a joke, for posterity’s sake, that engineers in the UK are being mocked for real. He was an Oxbridge type, his class mates all earning far more than he, so he said. The only way for an engineer to earn a good salary in the UK is by not engineering anything, Management is the only path to a decent salary and whether its management of people or projects then it really translates into nothing more than management of money. Why are Civil Engineers paid less than other Engineering fields? Up to a certain size, jobs are often, as you say, best run by a Chief Engineer, and many of my own best projects have been ones I’ve run, Engineered and PM’d. This career should not even be mentioned in the same sentence as minimum wage. We know that only around 70 per cent of those who study engineering go on to work for a company whose primary activity is engineering (according to the Higher Education Statistics Authority). Your kids would be sent to independent school. Engineers have worked themselves out of a job. Why is this happening? A chartered engineer gets in the range £35k-40k , that is after 5-6 years experience. Large companies in the City may typically offer a small number of graduates much more than £26,000, but the average graduate starting salary according to HESCU is just £18,615-£22,785 – significantly less than the average received by those who study engineering. The one’s you are thinking of run their own business. Then are are possibilities to earn much more. But when compared to other grads who have started in other fields I’m well behind as their companies have rewarded better over the years. Some engineering disciplines have starting salaries already at 100k (petroleum). Engineers earn less than teachers, police officers, pharmacists, plumbers, HVAC technicians, etc and work twice the hours. Other pofessions do not rely on designing and making products for sale. (4) generally hides behind their computer putting together Gantt charts that mean nothing. This is true but is for entry level engineers. Mechanical engineers in oil and gas garner the highest wages, among all engineers. That could mean that many graduates go into higher earning sectors but also that others work for engineering firms in non-engineering roles such as business, management or even sales. The engineering degree, including civil, is still a very valuable educational attainment. I am so glad I jumped into projects as it removed from being behind a computer screen all day and has also allowed to live a nice lifestyle in the North of England. This is not just about India but also in other countries. Your problem with your graduate is that there is so much to learn that some basics have to be dropped and can be picked up easily once in a post as much taught may not relate to the job one actually finds after graduating. I personally took this route after getting tired of seeing how counting beads with an abacus pays twice as much as doing cutting edge research in engineering. A good PM will motivate, performance manage and manage stakeholder expectations whilst also managing a projects finances. They could be treated by a trained nurse on a third of the salary and only sent to a person with a doctorate when the nurse can’t work out what’s wrong. In 2017, the median annual pay is $132,280 or, $63.60 per hour, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. I employ Engineers in Nuclear on upwards of £600 per day so yes it can be very rewarding. Without business there would be no need for IT. I’m retired, ex-UK with B.Sc., C.Eng and have lived in South Africa since 1971. Cmon, What about the £27K you stashed away!! A funny story about Steve Jobs was tweeted out by Evan Doll, a cofounder of the news-reading app Flipboard, while he was working at Apple. There are over 8 million science, technology, engineering, and mathematics jobs around the country, ranging from software developers and programmers, to civil and mechanical engineers. After all you don’t get everyone calling themselves a doctor of this or that. It’s a damned low paid profession and the most mocked of all the other contemporary professions. Firstly, do you live on earth Ralf? Mechanical engineers design power-producing machines, such as electric generators, internal combustion engines, and steam and gas turbines, as well as power-using machines, such as refrigeration and air-conditioning systems. In my view engineering does not pay well for the complexity and range of skills gained during the degree (for example ive recently seen a job advertised for a ‘graduate engineer’ with 2+ years of post grad experience (this baffles me…) for 25k, this is frankly a bit insulting that they consider this an acceptable wage). And if you think about you can see why. Ralf. My experience is that in technical consulting (for which a good engineering masters degree is a good start) starting salaries are mid twenties to 30k, and you can probably get to 2 or 3 times that over 10-15 years. Do numbers add up in this site below? He is the only one in an international engineering department of 2000+ engineers. You mostly get £40-45k. Some of the points here are too pessimistic: Engineers in these fields are historically in high demand. So we’ve lost that competitive edge. As a basic technician! Small enough that there is no wall where to put a sofa or cabinet because there is either a door, a window, another door, yet another door or an open fire hole in the way. If you have a wife or a relationship it becomes unsustainable and you’ll soon feel miserable for commuting 3 hours a day. Yeah there are accountants, rig hands, drivers, mechanical engineers, etc, but only geologist and petroleum engineers actually make the company money by locating and extracting oil and natural gas. Chemical, Pharmaceutical and Medical Engineers combine their understanding of core Engineering principles with their strong knowledge in Medicine in order to develop modern equipment which would help medical health professionals provide a better and much efficient service. The pay for run of the proper qualified engineers is shockingly low compared with other professions. Why do ordinary people have to pay £20,000 to get divorced? At the electrical firm I work at practically none of the so-called engineers have a degree not even the chief engineer who only has an HNC. The project managers just chase this. This is the question which most of the students are asking me these days. I think it is worth turning some of these ideas on their heads. Demand from politicians that the health service is restructured with nurses providing frontline medical services, not people with a doctorate, and divorce, probate and conveyancing is simplified so lawyers can’t coin it in from what should be a smooth simple process for most ordinary people. Why are software engineers paid so little in Japan (or at least compared to the USA)? Brendan, I fear you haven’t met a good Project Manager. So, where do mechanical engineers make the most money? Im a recent graduate trying to weather the oil and gas downturn and have plenty of stories of friends who just cant see the point in continuing in different industries for very little advancement and recognition, so have flown the nest to travel or pursue other things. Since engineers were paid well, you'd obviously be happy. They find them more trustworthy, intelligent, and creative. There are serious and highly skilled individuals out there who hold “solid engineering foundations” as well as all other skills listed by S Martin. There is a reason why I say so. And don’t bother looking to the Imech E for help in increasing engineers salaries in the UK (specially now with Brexit) because the organisation is run by the very same people that profit from low engineers wages . I used the graph to look for the mythical engineer shortage creating higher prices. The average starting salary figures are not correct! Even a moderately successful, adequately qualified Engineer with a little determination can earn more than a current MP’s salary. It shows the ability to learn and work hard to obtain a degree unlike those in (dare I say it) the humanities whose hardest part of the course is getting out of bed before 10am! Never ever you say again that engineers are well paid because they are not. My own personal rule of thumb is that you should be paid equivalent to your age times a thousand. Probably something mechanical. So anyone wants to tell me that an en experienced engineer with about 11 to 12 years experience being offered £40,000 per annum is well paid? companies are run by pen pushers who don’t care about supplying quality and as long as they can offset and make the books look OK (in reality there not due to the false economy of having to redo the shoddy work) I’m constantly having to settle for well bellow what i was on 5/10 years ago for roles of a senior level. As a moderately successful and more than adequately qualified engineer working for a FTSE 100 hi-tech engineering firm I can confirm that I do NOT earn anything like an MPs salary. JohnB Hi all from my personal experience the salaries engineers are paid is no where near £30k. However, I’d have to work in Munich area and house prices are very high. and just to curtail the likes of the Indian engineering uprising, I know of several companies who have contracted out engineering work, even drafting work to the likes of India and have monumentally regretted it, I used to have to check drawings coming in from them i would run out of red pens marking them up and in the end it took 10 times as long if i where to do it my self, wanted to hire the cleaner to do it instead of these guys would of been done better! Remember 2007, when the oil price hiked and loans defaulted? The smallest accounts to be paid first. I cannot reccomend a career in engineering to anyone currently. Because mechanical engineers are good team players and they have creative ideas about everything.” Which male engineers do you find more, Fifty percent engineers fail to grab a dream job because of basic faults in their CVs/ Resume. I’m not sure about any other engineering profession but Civil Engineering salaries are low. And on top of that, if you were a really good engineer you could become a supervisor and maybe even a manager (back then a "manager" title was a big deal, not so much today). It is sub-divided into the following two main groups: (a) Statics, and (b) Dynamics The Statics is that branch of Engineering Mechanics which deals with the forces and their effects, while acting upon the bodies at rest. Ie. Second, leaving the UK. Even though there is shortage. Other countries have made it near on impossible to call yourself an engineer, surely the institute of or council of engineers should take on this fight? Simply put, engineering graduates may be among the highest earners but that doesn’t mean engineers necessarily are. My recent article was about, What do girls think about men who are engineers and what type of engineers are most favourite among girls? There’s a huge difference between them. Interestingly, my Johannesburg employer (i.e. They show that six of the top ten highest earning subjects based on starting salaries are engineering disciplines. That’s why there’s such a huge global demand for mechanical engineers, and why they’re paid so well. So the workers set the minimum at $1, and the company sets the maximum at $750k. They fix our cars, they help us get oil changes, they do car work no one else wants to do, most do a very good job, so why do they get paid so little? You need to move jobs. Compared with Medical, Law and Finance Engineering pay is well below par. Yes, it is supply and demand, but the supply is constrained by the fact that aero is generally regarded to be harder than mechanical. I stuck it out for 2 yrs in London as an engineer but low status and poor pay got the better of me, especially seeing my peers in the city around me. Someone who creates, analyzes, and produces a product through the use of a theoretically based skillset. Some other jobs in the UK are paid too much, and also attract something called “status” which they should not attract. Truth being said, Civil Engineering graduates in UK are total jokes in comparison with Canada, USA, Australia or other countries. Doctors , lawyers, solictors , stockbrokers ,politicians, bankers are not reststrained in this way. I wouldn’t have expected that. Take home pay is about £1950 per month, which is about double minimum wage. In my experience, jobs big and small would be better run by chief engineers and technical leads – people that understand getting solid foundations in place then making solid steps off that is more important than turning little boxes green to meet schedule. And no matter how much you defend that, you will never get into that region yourself. This follows what we know about the proportion of engineering graduates who actually swallow the blue pill and enter the financial services industry: it’s just 2-3 per cent – half the graduate average. That is true. The salary in engineering is not low but the effort for reward is highly unbalanced. Then where are all these high paid jobs, apparently there is a shortage of engineers so why are so many out of work if there is such a demand. The low pay of engineering is a fact not a myth in the UK. Done well, with Engineering experience to back it up, I personally believe that Project Management is the more demanding job. is it all just going into my bosses pocket. Mechanical engineers design and oversee the manufacture of many products ranging from medical devices to new batteries. In the UK at the moment, companies recruiting into engineering roles are asking for graduates…. Chemical engineering graduates earning on average more than anyone except dentists, with a mean starting salary of £29,582. Compare this to other professions and you’ll realise that they’re in a different universe. Then there’s lawyers. What They Do: Mechanical engineers design, develop, build, and test mechanical and thermal sensors and devices.. Work Environment: Mechanical engineers generally work in offices.They may occasionally visit worksites where a problem or piece of equipment needs their personal attention. Copyright © Mark Allen Engineering Ltd (a Mark Allen Group company) 2019, Mark Allen Engineering Limited You will not be able to afford to help out your kids or send them to independent school. If I follow your logic I am entitle to say that fabulous car is a “mythical” one too. If I worked as a GP I could get paid as much as £104,000 a year. Yes, I realize that £450 for a small terraced house is quite cheap for England. Only the manager was a C.Eng. The need for this expertise is great in so many fields, and as such, there is no real limit for the freshly minted mechanical engineer. This is now rife in the industry and truly frustrating for those who have gone to great lengths to become qualified. However, I would have been one of the top students in the UK to get into med school and then worked to get a doctorate. 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They are very hard-working yet most only make around 30-40k a year. So where ever this information has been obtained from seems to have been doctored in some way, because the reality is in the UK we work for next to nothing compared to people in EU. Pino. Because of lesser jobs, industries are getting benefit because of giving low wages to engineers, as they can get many if … The market sets these pay scales and without really very extreme changes in our economic system, they will remain so. With our list of the best gifts for engineers, finding a gift will be a snap. Speaking as a Broadcast Engineer for a major UK Broadcaster I can say my starting Salary was hilariously low, £20k. My son has chosen Maths, extra Maths and physics and really still not sure what to do in terms of University courses. And if you want more you have to employ other people, which can be a lot more rewarding. The salaries are almost at the same level with non university professionals like Secretarial services or clerks etc. CE is an example left-behind middle class profession, they have recently been identified in some papers/research, FT had an article on it a while back. If you are doing shifts the average pay is £45-50K. Just read what Wikipedia writes about UK engineer recognition (lack thereof)!! they have NO control over the project as this has been pre-determined by a higher authority within the organisation. I guess this all depends on what you count as engineering – seems like quite a broad range of things to me. If you’re a young professional engineer, look for an older, more established engineer at your company who might be interested in mentoring you. Generally we get to know more and more about less and less. I was thinking about working in Japan as a software engineer after graduating college (since I am half Japanese, speak it fluently and have lots of family in Japan) but I noticed … If I could do it over I would not be an Engineer just due to the sorry profession it has become. I’m an engineering Manager and I can tell you the moment I put a Graduate to work on a project they will either mess up everything or it will take them 1000 hours to do something correctly and that’s after a Senior invests 100 hours in them. Steve Jobs’s sharp and cheeky response when an engineer once asked why Apple paid so little. You do it as cheaply as possible with no care for quality. In my experience, professional project managers are a lot like professional politicians: limited qualifications for their role and a belief that because of their title they know everything. Why don’t Engineers’ salaries reflect this level of responsibility? Even my boss only has a C&G. I graduated in 2008 with a 1st Class MEng (Mechanical). I was wondering why? Don’t get me wrong I completely understand the worth they bring but ultimately they generally go home at 5pm whereas we provide 24/7 support to keep things on-air and working. During this 3 years I moved up to 40k pa as Senior PE. Alaska is the No. You get paid what you deserve and the universities in UK in Civil Engineering are extremely poor. Authored by Paul Petrone. Why Do Engineers Get Paid So Much? I am repeatedly told that my previous design experience does not apply to non-marine engineering, so I am re-training. The second problem with being an engineer is it rarely lends itself to setting up your own business. Oil & gas engineers, railway signalling engineers, mining engineers, marine salvage engineers, can often earn £90-150,000 a year, albeit sometimes working in rough locations, and often in tax-free countries. A HVAC technician is called an Engineer.
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